Thursday, June 28, 2012

THE AGE OF THE EARTH – II


Evidence of an old earth
    In our last blog post we noted the discrepancy between the Genesis account of creation and the usual interpretation of the geological column, and suggested that the geological explanation may be faulty and that scientists are misreading the fossil record. But what about other evidences of an old earth? How do they square with Scripture?
    There is compelling evidence that the earth itself and the universe as a whole are considerably older than a few thousand years. Radiometric dating of rocks, based on the half-life of radioactive elements, indicates that the earth is billions of years old. Other evidence for the age of the universe is based on astronomical observations. We know from the speed of light that it would take light a certain amount of time to travel from a distant star to us. We can also gauge how long stars have been burning, and can tell by the Doppler effect that the universe is expanding, Based on all of these factors Dr. Hugh Ross, an astronomer and a Christian, estimates that the universe is approximately 17 billion years old (Creation and Time, Navpress, 1994, p. 95).
    But does that conclusion contradict Scripture? What does the Bible actually say about the age of the earth?
    Most young-earth creationists would acknowledge that there are gaps in the biblical genealogies upon which Archbishop Ussher based his calculations. But even making allowances for that, it is hard to conclude from the Biblical data that Adam was created more than tens of thousands of years ago. Dr. Ross tries to escape from the problem by relying on the
"Day-Age" Theory, in which the six days of creation mentioned in Genesis 1 are not taken as literal 24 hour days, but rather as very long periods of time. Another approach that has been suggested in recent years is the "Literary Framework" interpretation, which argues that it was not the intention of the author of Genesis to provide a literal description of the creation process. Rather, the author's intention was to make certain theological points. Genesis 1 is apologetics, not science.

    We think, however, that there are serious objections to both the Day-Age Theory and the Literary Framework interpretation. For one thing, the word "day" is defined in the text itself: "So the evening and the morning were the first day" (v. 5; NKJV), suggesting a normal solar day. This impression is reinforced later on in the passage when the sun and the moon were created, "the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night" (v. 16). They are "to divide the day from the night" (v. 14). Here the normal rhythm of day and night is definitely in view. It is hard to see how an ancient Israelite could have been expected to take the language of the text any other way, and indeed, until the advent of modern science, virtually no one did take it any other way.
    Moreover, the days are numbered in sequential order. On each day it is asserted that God did something. Furthermore, an explicit connection is made between the seventh day and the weekly Sabbath observed by the Jews: "Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made" (2:3). Thus neither the Day-Age Theory nor the Literary Framework interpretation are construing the text very honestly, and hence are not likely to help us resolve the issue of a universe that has all the appearance of being very old.
    There is, however, another possibility. Stay tuned!
    

5 comments:

  1. But what about other evidences of an old earth? How do they square with Scripture?

    Don't put the cart before the horse.
    How old do you (Bob Wheeler) think the Earth is?
    Spit out a number.

    There is compelling evidence that...

    Good. So this evidence compels you to spit out what number?

    ...indicates that the earth is billions of years old.

    You agree with these indications, yes?
    How old is the Earth?

    The batshit crazy people of the world say that it's 6000 years old. You, however, call it at...what?
    It's great that you are consulting and polling and casting around for everybody else's conclusion.
    What of yours?

    There is, however, another possibility. Stay tuned!
    Well, there's a few more.

    Last Thursdayism for example.

    Based on all of these factors Dr. Hugh Ross, an astronomer and a Christian...

    Ah, but is he a "real Christian"?
    Have you actually investigated him?

    What about his family? Who are they?
    Whom did he marry? Is she a good conservative?

    What denomination is he? Does he go to a real church?

    It's your standard. Stick to it.
    Personally, I think it's silly and dishonest to try and get inside a person's head that way but...

    What do you think an honest and fair-minded person should do?

    ...it is doubtful that he was ever a believer-he came from a family of freethinkers, and his wife, who was the conservative in the family, was a Unitarian!

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  2. (typo)
    ...on on of my favourite science *blogs*.
    (sigh)

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  3. I did take a look at P.Z. Myers' article on presuppositionalism, and found it very interesting. I was actually trained in presuppositional apologetics, and on several occasions had the opportunity to hear Cornelius Van Til, the father of modern presuppositionalism, speak (he was quite old at that point). I have also read a lot of Francis Schaeffer's stuff as well.
    As you may have picked up on the most recent blog posts, I don't think that the argument is completely circular. At some point you do have to look at the actual evidence. In fact, the Apostle Paul built his argument for Christianity on knowledge that is accessible to all (cf. Romans 1). At the same time how you interpret the evidence will depend on your worldview. Science presents the facts, the physical evidence. But what do the facts mean?
    I thought it was very interesting that Meyers made this comment: "To me, the really basic assumptions are that I exist; that the world exists; that I can sense this world imperfectly; that there are other beings with whom I can communicate (imperfectly again) who are also trying to sense the nature of this world." But how can he actually know these things? Interestingly, he calls them "assumptions." But the beauty of Christian theism is that we can know that these assumptions are true (and they are) because they have been revealed to us by our Creator. (Man, the observer, was not created until day 6, after the rest of the world had already been created. Ergo, the rest of the world has a real, objective existence. And God created man to rule the world, ergo, man has the cognitive ability to understand the world.) Thus the Bible provides us with the presupposition necessary to interpret reality. It is ultimately what makes science possible. As human beings, with a limited range of observation, we are ultimately dependent on revelation for our knowledge of reality.
    Where Van Til has a valid point is that in interpreting the evidence we often bring psychological motives to the table that prevent us from seeing the evidence objectively. This includes the desire, on the part of many, to eliminate the possibility of a Supreme Being to whom we are accountable. Hence the necessity for a completely naturalistic explanation for reality. But then, how do we know that the external world actually exists?

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  4. But the beauty of Christian theism is that we can know that these assumptions are true (and they are) because they have been revealed to us by our Creator.

    But the beauty of Hindu theism is that we can know that these assumptions are true (and they are) because they have been revealed to us by Vishnu.

    But the beauty of Jedi msyticism is that we can know that these assumptions are true (and they are) because they have been revealed to us by Yoda.

    Man, the observer,...

    Oh? Who observed what?

    ...was not created until day 6, after the rest of the world had already been created.

    How do you know this? Evidence?

    Ergo, the...

    Nope, you don't get to "ergo" based upon waving your hands in the air. It's silly. You are not talking to a child.

    And God created man to rule the world,...

    And Sky Woman created man to rule the world...
    And Apsu the Begetter created man to rule the world...

    ...ergo...

    Nope. Again there is no reason to ergo. You have said nothing useful.

    ...man has the cognitive ability to understand the world.

    Cognitive ability? Sure? Created by magic, invisible sky daddies?
    Not so much.

    As human beings, with a limited range of observation, we are ultimately dependent on revelation for our knowledge of reality.

    What revelation? From whom? It's a all just oogity-boogity.

    This includes the desire, on the part of many, to eliminate the possibility of a Supreme Being to whom we are accountable.

    Nope. That's not what happens.
    Scientists don't care about your magical, invisible friend.
    They are just doing work that produces stuff.

    Hence the necessity for a completely naturalistic explanation for reality.

    There's not another option. Science is useful. It works.
    Supernatural "explanations" do not "explain" anything.
    No lives are saved. No wealth is created. No buildings are made.
    No territory is explored. No comforts or luxuries are produced.
    Science works.
    Superstition does not.

    How old do you (Bob Wheeler) think the Earth is?
    Those big holes littering the surface of the moon. How did they get there?

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