We have seen that the problem of evil is very real, and that we intuitively react against it. This in turn gives rise to a sense of morality – the sense that certain actions are somehow "wrong" and others "right"?
But what is the basis for morality? How do we know what is "wrong" and "right"? The biblical answer is simple and straightforward: "He has shown you, O man, what is good; / And what does the Lord require of you / But to do justly, / To love mercy, / And to walk humbly with your God?" (Mic. 6:8; NKJV). God is our Creator and Judge. He sets the rules. Nothing could be plainer than that.
Nothing, that is, except to a philosopher, and indeed many of them have, in fact, raised objections to what is sometimes called "The Divine Command Theory." Secularists sometimes point to a dialogue of Plato's ("Euthyphro") in which Plato supposedly demonstrated that morality cannot derive its source from God.
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The obvious flaw in the argument, of course, is that the ancient Greeks were polytheists. Their "gods" were little more than glorified humans, and often behaved little better than humans as well. Not surprisingly, they often disagree with each other. The Bible, on the other hand, posits the existence of only one God, eternal, self-existent, , the sole Creator of heaven and earth. The creation derived its original shape and contours from Him. He is the source of all created reality. Hence nothing exists independently of this one God, and there is no authority outside of Him that can impose a standard of morality. His creative will determines the norms by which the universe functions. Thus there is no other source of morality. What is good, and true, and right is good and true and right for the simple reason that God said so.
But, it will be argued, all human beings have a sense of right and wrong whether they have read the Bible or not. (Well, at least all human beings outside the Washington Beltway!) That demonstrates that morality is not derived from the Bible as its original source.
The premise is true; the conclusion is not. Why does nearly everyone have an innate sense of right and wrong? It is because they are creatures of God, and have His law written on their hearts. ". . . for when the Gentiles, who do not have the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness . . ." (Rom. 2:14,15). Paul uses an interesting argument to demonstrate his point: "their thoughts accusing or else excusing them" (v. 15). Just look at the way people behave. One person accuses another of wrongdoing. The person accused quickly defends himself against the charge. Why? What is wrong with, let's say, lying? What is wrong with being called a liar? Both the accusation and the denial show that both sides know intuitively that lying is wrong. How do we account for this? Either we agree that lying is objectively wrong, or else we accept the fact that lying is perfectly normal and both sides are being irrational. The latter option is unthinkable.
Atheists are quick to proclaim that it is possible to be "good without God" and that belief in God is not necessary for morality. On one level this is certainly true. Atheists are human beings, and are capable of displaying human kindness. But on another level they are certainly wrong. What atheists have succeeded in demonstrating is that there is an objective, universally binding standard of conduct, and at least some atheists would freely deny that any such code of conduct exists. But even an atheist cannot escape his own humanity. He has a conscience, and his conscience tells him otherwise.
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But what is the basis for morality? How do we know what is "wrong" and "right"? The biblical answer is...
ReplyDelete...geographically based.
Secularists sometimes point to a dialogue...
What do non-secularists point to?
Some reach for their bible. Others reach for their Koran. Others open the Book of the Dead etc, etc, etc.
The obvious flaw in the argument, of course, is that the ancient Greeks were polytheists.
How? Singular or plural. It doesn't help.
"A discussion ensues in which Socrates points out that the Greek god (singular) disagreed with itself and behaved abominably on occasion. How then would the god (singular) know what is right and wrong? The implication is that there must be some standard external to the god (singular) by which to judge their opinions and actions."
See?
Besides, before you go attributing gods or single gods powers or abilities...you have to demonstrate their existence.
Why does nearly everyone have an innate sense of right and wrong? It is because they are creatures of God, and have His law written on their hearts. ".
Yep, the gift that keeps on giving...
Why does nearly everyone have an innate sense of right and wrong? It is because they are creatures of Krishna, and have His law written on their hearts.
Why does nearly everyone have an innate sense of right and wrong? It is because they are creatures of Baal, and have His law written on their hearts.
Why does nearly everyone have an innate sense of right and wrong? It is because they are creatures of Xenu, and have His law written on their hearts.
Atheists are quick to proclaim that it is possible to be "good without God" and that belief in God is not necessary for morality.
To be fair, it's not just atheists that say this. Jews, for example, are not Christians at all. They find the idea of you getting your morality from your god silly.
Same goes for the Hindus and all other religious types that regard your religion as fake.
What is wrong with, let's say, lying? What is wrong with being called a liar? Both the accusation and the denial show that both sides know intuitively that lying is wrong. How do we account for this?
We know it's wrong because Imhotep says so?
Oh, you're refering to your god again...right?
The one that's specific to your geography?
Ah, funny how that happens.
"A discussion ensues in which Socrates points out that the Greek god (singular) disagreed with itself . . ." Do you see what happened here? Once you change the plural to a singular it becomes a nonsense statement. What is true of polytheism is manifestly not true of monotheism. The world makes coherent sense because it was created by a single, intelligent Being.
ReplyDeleteIn a sense, what you call this intelligent Being is irrelevant. The question is, who made you? ("God," incidentally, is not a proper name. It is just the term that we customarily use to designate the Intelligent Being Who created us. To the extent that He has a proper name, it is represented by the consonants YHWH, which was considered so sacred by the Jews that they would never actually pronounce it, and as a result we are not sure what the correct vowels are. The word itself apparently means "He exists.")
The apostle Paul, when he stood on Mars Hill in Athens and addressed a group of Epicurean and Stoic philosophers, told them that God "made the world and everything in it" and was "Lord of heaven and earth." He created human beings, "that they should seek the Lord, in hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; for in Him we live and move and have our being . . ." (Acts 17:24,26,27).
Do you see what happened here? Once you change the plural to a singular it becomes a nonsense statement.
ReplyDeleteNo, it doesn't. People say one thing and do another all the time.
Being hypocritical or contrary is standard stuff.
What is true of polytheism is manifestly not true of monotheism.
The only difference is singular versus plural.
The world makes coherent sense because it was created by a single, intelligent Being.
"The world makes coherent sense because it was created by intelligent Beings."
(shrug)
In a sense, what you call this intelligent Being is irrelevant.
I agree. I treat all claims of "Beings" the same. The first thing is to demonstrate that such a magical being exists. I don't care what they call it or how many there are or what book you reach for because your parents taught you to reach for that book.
The question is, who made you?
Malformed question. How do you know there's a who in the first place?
The apostle Paul, when he stood on Mars Hill in Athens...
That's nice.
In the beginning there was nothing but a dark, watery abyss of chaos - the lifeless Nu or Nun. But just as the waters of the great Nile gave birth to life through the muddy earth; out of the Nun came the benben.
Then as the water receded, mounds of black fertile ground appeared and would then give birth to life (the vegetation that grew from the fertile silt).
Benben, the earthy mound shaped like a pyramid, emerged and became the place out of which the sun rose for the first time to light the world.
It also became the place where the first God, Atum, stood.
Atum is the source of everything in this world, and thus he is the creator of all life.